tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post1223742459627680988..comments2023-11-16T09:57:41.255-08:00Comments on ITALIAN CYCLING JOURNAL: Photos that Hurt My EyesAngelo senza la ohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00876175566987717150noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post-76346999914479872612012-12-22T08:24:55.641-08:002012-12-22T08:24:55.641-08:00Wow. I call that the smoking gun. And some US sel...Wow. I call that the smoking gun. And some US sellers still preach the benefit of Asian production (hint C.C. are the initials of one mega-online store). A few questions come to mind. Which carbon frames have gone down in price over the last few years? Who is saving (making) money? Shareholders of huge companies, owners, distributors, reps, bike shops? It sure isn't the buyer. And again I am reminded of Robert Pirsig's analysis of 'quality.' It is the relationship between the item being produced and the craftsman that produces it. Anything else is pure business and a money making venture. I am sick of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post-25556758179118221042012-11-29T06:38:22.419-08:002012-11-29T06:38:22.419-08:00Larry says this is the sad result when GREED overt...Larry says this is the sad result when GREED overtakes other considerations. Sending your ideas and more to a country where intellectual property or patented design is a concept unknown in the culture makes pretty certain that this will be the result. Nobody should be surprised at this, least of all the folks who made the decision to have their products made there. This is why so many ads in Bicisport, etc. now say 100% Made-in-Italy.... there IS a difference and some are willing to pay for it. It does seem that more and more carbon-fiber bike production is being done in Italy now - perhaps some have seen the error of their ways?Larry and Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16346445393389942837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post-12014151633630607932012-11-29T06:12:49.264-08:002012-11-29T06:12:49.264-08:00Most of the carbon frames are made in china, that´...Most of the carbon frames are made in china, that´s a fact. The main problem is te over pricing policy of most of the big brands. Technology and development cost money, it´s true... but most of the 3.000 or 5.000$ frame does´t cost that. Even a Dogma or a Venge frame. You pay for marketing and that hurts the pocketAndres Omañahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705801319251952322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post-28764646537080989712012-11-29T04:37:35.329-08:002012-11-29T04:37:35.329-08:00@John: that what it looks like to me.@John: that what it looks like to me.Angelo senza la ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876175566987717150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post-61727267295819047622012-11-29T04:31:45.843-08:002012-11-29T04:31:45.843-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Angelo senza la ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876175566987717150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-172202953319134786.post-59928016982910515752012-11-28T21:19:55.498-08:002012-11-28T21:19:55.498-08:00Are you suggesting that the folks making real Masi...Are you suggesting that the folks making real Masi frames also make fake Pinarellos? Because it's the same people in both photos, right?John Abramsnoreply@blogger.com